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Bill James for the Hall of Fame!

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My other random thoughts:

1. Pretty amazing that Koufax tops the '61-67 list, considering he literally wasn't even active the last of those seasons, but he was STILL the best pitcher in baseball. Domination, homes.

2. Along those lines: it would be easy to miss, but Fangraphs has Doc Gooden as the best pitcher in baseball from 1982-1988. He was not in the Majors in 1982. OR 1983. That's simply how magic he was in those first two years, in particular.

3. Bill James published a thing in the waning days of his Bill James Online site about coming up with a score to assess the likelihood of a given player winning a Cy Young award at SOME point in his career. The all-time leader was Juan Marichal... who never won one. In a weird, weird quirk of his career, basically all his best seasons just so HAPPENED to align with someone else having a season the voters thought was even BETTER. What a bummer.

4. For those who are curious, if you're in the "we know neither WAR is PERFECT, so split the difference," the winners of the stretches Joe mentions would have been:

1962-68 - Gibson 40.0/40.2 vs. Marichal 43.9/37.5: MARICHAL

1972-78 - Phil Niekro 50.0/38.4 vs. Bert Blyleven 45.9/47.8: BLYLEVEN

1973-79 - Phil Niekro 51.9/36.5 vs. Bert Blyleven 44.3/45.3: BLYLEVEN

1974-80 - Phil Niekro 50.9/37.4 vs. Bert Blyleven 36.0/38.4: NIEKRO

1975-81 - Phil Niekro 44.7/31.7 vs. Steve Carlton 33.1/34.9: NIEKRO

1976-82 - Phil Niekro 41.1/31.1 vs. Steve Carlton 36.3/39.6: CARLTON

1979-85: Dave Stieb 40.0/28.8 vs. Steve Carlton 32.4/38.4: CARLTON

1980-86: Dave Stieb 38.5/28.0 vs. Steve Carlton 28.3/34.6: STIEB

1981-87: Dave Stieb 35.8/26.2 vs. Fernando Valenzuela 31.2/34.3: VALENZUELA

1982-88: Dave Stieb 35.5/26.4 vs. Dwight Gooden 29.2/32.5: STIEB (by 0.1!)

2002-08: Roy Halladay 38.3/37.3 vs. Johan Santana 42.5/36.9: SANTANA

2003-09: Roy Halladay 37.9/37.3 vs. Johan Santana 43.1/37.0: SANTANA

(Baseball-Reference WAR is listed first, and all this with the caveat that I only checked the two players Joe listed, whereas it COULD be true that a player who finished third by EITHER measure actually was the strongest by both COMBINED... but I'm not gonna work that hard.)

5. MAN does Baseball-Reference WAR just LOVE those 300-inning seasons. I don’t think it gets it right all the time, I really don’t. I just don’t think Phil Niekro was worth 50 WAR in seven years throwing junk. And there are lots of reasons to believe B-R WAR less than Fangraphs: it’s less stable, it’s possible that it’s double-counting park effects (with a separate park effect, in addition to the defensive adjustment), that it’s SO chaotic in the 1960s and ‘70s… so I take it with a grain of salt, and think that maybe 2/3 to Fangraphs makes more sense. Nonetheless, I think it’s really interesting how those results of a combined WAR show up.

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