Well now... So i voted for 1 more (yes, i snubbed the other 4)! But anyone who clicked 5 was perfect (option) snubbed 5! Snubbers - Joe - that's what we have here!
I do have a question regarding (pro football) QB's greatness - If a QB has 299+ touchdowns by passing - Are they an automatic entry in to the Pro Football HOF?
I think it would be interesting if the voting was to vote for 5 instead of one. (It would probably be too late to do this now, as anyone who would vote has now seen the cloud of people with 1.)
I am guessing that with 5 choices, Tiger and Jack would be universal (or close to it) but people would have an array of different choices for the other 3. I would like to see that cloud.
With this exercise, it would be nice if you identified a current FROG (if there is one). Scottie Scheffler is on a path to potentially make the short list, and the first to approach that level since Tiger. Some sports may have a vacancy for current FROG, others (like Tennis) may have a couple of contenders to consider. (BTW - your top five FROGs in Tennis post should be very interesting.)
Since we are on the topic of Sports Greatness (FROGS) - Dan Wetzel wrote an article about Bill Belichick's Pro-Football HOF snub. It's called - "If Belichick isn't first ballot, just shut the Hall down". Referring to Spygate - "Since when did retroactive morality become part of the process?".
What ? No Gary Player or Julius Boros options? Well i'll be! Are these rankings we do .... just fodder for one of your new books - Joe? Golf Frogs? Frogs on Par? On Golden Frogs? Or some sort of play on words - Frogs who Birdied?
I don’t have a problem with Joe’s list. But I don’t really understand the diagram with the names in different sizes. Tiger and Jack clearly the biggest, Arnie clearly next, but after that very little difference. And do the colors (black vs green) mean anything?
I voted Scheffler, and have no problem with anyone who disagrees because he's too young. But what he is doing over the past 3-4 yrs has only been matched by Tiger and Jack. As an example, with his win last weekend he joined Tiger and Jack as the only players in the history of the PGA to win 20 tournaments plus 4 majors before his 30th birthday.
Gary Player is going to fly to your house and challenge you to a push-up competition for leaving him off both the list AND the "who would you add" ballot
I did not vote for an addition to the Mt. Frogmore of golf. Each of the names in the original list were THE dominant player in the game for a decent period of time, some longer than others. I don’t think the others quite match up in that way.
Seems to me that, as much as anything, the point of this exercise is to give a non-fan a reasonable idea of who the biggest names are in a given sport and why, and so 5 is just about right. Not an exhaustive list, but if you're really not a golf fan (as I am not) then being able to rattle off a player for each finger on one hand and briefly explain what they meant or mean to the game is perfect. Any more than that and you've lost me. Don't bother telling me about Tom Hagen or Babe Diedriksen or Gary Player or whatever, you've already lost me if you're that far down in the weeds.
I think I equate a FROG to Moore of a Mount Rushmore discussion versus a GOAT. I feel like in golf the vast majority of people would select either tiger or Jack has the best golfer of all time. But if people are asked to pick their third fourth or fifth choice to round out, Mount Rushmore, there are numerous other names that could be suggested. Phil, Scotty, Hogan, Sarazen, Hagan, Palmer, Player, Watson, Ballesteros, Nelson, Snead, Trevino, Norman, Rory, etc all have arguments for being included on Mount Rushmore. This is where we’ll find more variation in people’s responses
You may know me from being the most entertaining, great golfer to ever draw breath, a legend of the European Tour*. I was the first European to win the Masters, and was the poster child for quixotic genius against the rising tide of crushing consistency.
I'm not the GOAT, its possible I'm not a FROG (though 20 millions Spaniards would disagree), but that I don't get a mention. That's kinda sad.
[*] its a large continent to the right of America on maps, and to the left of America on Civil Liberties.
Not sure that is a ringing endorsement when the other 27 million Spaniards do not like him ;) Also for the first 18 years of his life he lived under Francisco Paulino Hermenegildo Teódulo Franco Bahamonde. And yes, he is still dead.
Ummm Tennis?!!!!
From a European perspective Seve Ballesteros should be on the list. He basically resurrected the Ryder Cup.
Well now... So i voted for 1 more (yes, i snubbed the other 4)! But anyone who clicked 5 was perfect (option) snubbed 5! Snubbers - Joe - that's what we have here!
I do have a question regarding (pro football) QB's greatness - If a QB has 299+ touchdowns by passing - Are they an automatic entry in to the Pro Football HOF?
I think it would be interesting if the voting was to vote for 5 instead of one. (It would probably be too late to do this now, as anyone who would vote has now seen the cloud of people with 1.)
I am guessing that with 5 choices, Tiger and Jack would be universal (or close to it) but people would have an array of different choices for the other 3. I would like to see that cloud.
God, I could give a rat's pattootie (sp?) about golf, but I LOVE this idea of *representing* greatness. I can't wait to see how this theme develops!
With this exercise, it would be nice if you identified a current FROG (if there is one). Scottie Scheffler is on a path to potentially make the short list, and the first to approach that level since Tiger. Some sports may have a vacancy for current FROG, others (like Tennis) may have a couple of contenders to consider. (BTW - your top five FROGs in Tennis post should be very interesting.)
Since we are on the topic of Sports Greatness (FROGS) - Dan Wetzel wrote an article about Bill Belichick's Pro-Football HOF snub. It's called - "If Belichick isn't first ballot, just shut the Hall down". Referring to Spygate - "Since when did retroactive morality become part of the process?".
I’ll have to read the article if only to discover what “proactive” morality is.
What ? No Gary Player or Julius Boros options? Well i'll be! Are these rankings we do .... just fodder for one of your new books - Joe? Golf Frogs? Frogs on Par? On Golden Frogs? Or some sort of play on words - Frogs who Birdied?
I don’t have a problem with Joe’s list. But I don’t really understand the diagram with the names in different sizes. Tiger and Jack clearly the biggest, Arnie clearly next, but after that very little difference. And do the colors (black vs green) mean anything?
I voted Scheffler, and have no problem with anyone who disagrees because he's too young. But what he is doing over the past 3-4 yrs has only been matched by Tiger and Jack. As an example, with his win last weekend he joined Tiger and Jack as the only players in the history of the PGA to win 20 tournaments plus 4 majors before his 30th birthday.
Gary Player is going to fly to your house and challenge you to a push-up competition for leaving him off both the list AND the "who would you add" ballot
I did not vote for an addition to the Mt. Frogmore of golf. Each of the names in the original list were THE dominant player in the game for a decent period of time, some longer than others. I don’t think the others quite match up in that way.
Seems to me that, as much as anything, the point of this exercise is to give a non-fan a reasonable idea of who the biggest names are in a given sport and why, and so 5 is just about right. Not an exhaustive list, but if you're really not a golf fan (as I am not) then being able to rattle off a player for each finger on one hand and briefly explain what they meant or mean to the game is perfect. Any more than that and you've lost me. Don't bother telling me about Tom Hagen or Babe Diedriksen or Gary Player or whatever, you've already lost me if you're that far down in the weeds.
Tom Hagen could get around the course pretty well, but he just wasn't a wartime consigliere.
LOL told you I wasn't a golf fan!
I think I equate a FROG to Moore of a Mount Rushmore discussion versus a GOAT. I feel like in golf the vast majority of people would select either tiger or Jack has the best golfer of all time. But if people are asked to pick their third fourth or fifth choice to round out, Mount Rushmore, there are numerous other names that could be suggested. Phil, Scotty, Hogan, Sarazen, Hagan, Palmer, Player, Watson, Ballesteros, Nelson, Snead, Trevino, Norman, Rory, etc all have arguments for being included on Mount Rushmore. This is where we’ll find more variation in people’s responses
maybe gary player
Hi, I'm Seve Ballesteros,
You may know me from being the most entertaining, great golfer to ever draw breath, a legend of the European Tour*. I was the first European to win the Masters, and was the poster child for quixotic genius against the rising tide of crushing consistency.
I'm not the GOAT, its possible I'm not a FROG (though 20 millions Spaniards would disagree), but that I don't get a mention. That's kinda sad.
[*] its a large continent to the right of America on maps, and to the left of America on Civil Liberties.
Not sure that is a ringing endorsement when the other 27 million Spaniards do not like him ;) Also for the first 18 years of his life he lived under Francisco Paulino Hermenegildo Teódulo Franco Bahamonde. And yes, he is still dead.
I adjusted for all the Spaniards born after 2011 or who just don't like golf. :)