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Joe Pancake's avatar

I think Joe’s point about *style* is a good one. When I first got into sabermetrics in the early aughts, it really made me recalibrate some of my baseball takes -- I could no longer argue in good faith, for example, that ‘90s Griffey was better than ‘90s Bonds.

But so what? I’ve reconciled that my favorite players don’t have to be the best. Was Ichiro a little overrated because he didn’t walk much and had little power? Not if your metric is watching awesome players do awesome things.

Mark Daniel's avatar

Regarding Tom Tango's question, I took a look at two actual players in 2022 that were kinda like what he used as an example.

Vlad Guerrero Jr .274/.339/.480

Anthony Rizzo .224/.338/.480

Now, Rizzo had 150ish fewer PAs, so I extrapolated the data so that Rizzo had the same number of PAs (706) as Guerrero.

Here are the numbers:

Stat, Guerrero, Rizzo

Runs, 90, 99

Hits, 175, 134

2B, 35, 27

3B, 0, 1

HR, 32, 41

RBI, 97, 97

BB, 58, 75

Total bases, 306, 287

Basically, you get more or less what Tango said. Guerrero has 41 more hits and Rizzo has 17 more walks. But Rizzo has 9 more HRs, and 1 more triple, while Guerrero has 8 more doubles.

The advantage of getting a hit over a walk, I surmise, is that a hit is more likely to drive in a run than a walk. A single with a man on 3rd or men on 2nd and third, a double with men on base, etc..

But RBIs are not different, both are at 97. So way more hits by Guerrero, but the same number of RBIs. Probably due to the 9 more HRs that Rizzo had, or possibly due to men being on base at different rates. Looking at the latter, that does not seem to be a factor because both would have had a similar number of PAs with men on base.

So, okay, looking at it like this, Tango's case holds water.

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