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Mike's avatar

Interesting to see Joe look to '09, with Greinke and Lincecum as the turning point. Indeed, 15 and 16 wins are very low based on all-time Cy Young standards. Greinke was tied for 7th behind a slew of 19 and 17 game winners, some perennial all-stars among them. Lincecum was tied for 4th, trailing Wainwright and Carpenter, among others. But 15/16 still seemed like a decent win total by historical norms.

But 2010, to me, was THE turning point. King Felix won the AL Cy -- and it wasn't particularly close -- with a 13-12 record! And it wasn't as if the AL didn't have standard CY-worthy candidates. Price, Sabathia, Lester, and Verlander had gaudy W/L numbers, with the types of peripherals that usually carried the day. Plus all four were big names, some of whom won in other years.

But Felix was just better by any careful analytical measure, and the voters responded accordingly. The Cy Young voting was changed forever. Which is notable as the MVP standards lagged a few years behind, most notably when Cabrera beat out Trout based on winning the triple crown over The Meteor's superior all-around game.

Dale's avatar

I don’t have any issue with the CYA vote changing with the times. But for me, the charm of seeing great starters has been lost with the dissolution of the complete game. I’d rather see DeGrom pitch than the array of no-names marching out of the bullpen. I have many issues with the current state of the game, but that is certainly in my Top 5.

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