If you go by where they played high school baseball California would add guys like Joe Morgan, Frank Robinson, Eddie Mathews, Rickey Henderson, George Brett, Ozzie Smith and go two deep with all-time greats every position. Even Walter Johnson went to high school in California, playing for Fullerton HS at the beginning of the 20th century. He once struck out 27 batters in a 15 inning game against Santa Ana High School.
If anyone finds me passed out and blue in the face over the next eight days, just tell the first responders I’m merely holding my breath awaiting the NH entry.
yeah Maryland has the greatest hitter. They actually have a pretty good team. Best 20th century RH hitting 1Bman, best left handed starter ever. Iron Man 2.0.
I look forward to hearing what Joe considers "New York." While those born in the city believe it is bounced by the East and Hudson Rivers and grudgingly include the territories of Brooklyn, Queens and The Bronx (screw Staten Island); those of us born in the City but who grow up in the 'burbs and now live there would say that New York is everything south of the Bear Mountain Bridge (where, fun fact, the guys in On the Road turned west) in New York west of the Hudson, south of Connecticut east of the Hudson, and east/north of Route 287 in NJ. The G'Island might grudgingly be considered part of New York, especially in the summer.
The rest of New York is Upstate. Or, for the most part, the Upside Down.
I imagine that none of this makes sense to him not being a New Yorker (I'm a New Yorker myself and it doesn't make a ton of sense to me) so I'm going to bet in his "All-State" tournament he will go with the State of New York, just a guess
Gibson was great but he lost twelve games if memory serves in 1968 with a lineup way better than the Nebraska 3 all stars plus a few decent major leaguers. Tim McCarver, Orlando Cepeda, Julian Javier, Mike Shannon, Lou Brock, Curt Flood, was Roger Maris still in RF? Not sure if Seaver ever lost more than 12 in a season…. if only there was a way to look this stuff up.
Just took a look at Seaver’s career stats, and he lost 12 or more games (up to 14) in a season in 8 out of the 20 seasons he pitched. That said, wins and losses each season over an entire career can be an unfair and misleading stat, because it brings into play scoring support (think of the Mets prior to 1969) and impact of pitching injured, which Seaver did later in his career.
In 1968, Bob Gibson lost 9 games in the regular season (in which he was 22-9, with an ERA of 1.12) and 1 in the World Series (in which he was 2-1, and gave up only 5 runs over 27 innings, for an ERA of 1.67), not 12 games. Of the 9 games he lost in the regular season, 2 were 1-0 and one was 2-0. He competed 28 of his 34 starts, with 13 shutouts. He only gave up 4 runs twice in the regular season, and one was in an extra innings complete game he pitched.
In 3 World Series over 5 seasons from 1964-1968, he won 7 games in a row, and was 7-2 in the 9 games he pitched, including winning Game 7 in each of the 1964 and 1967 World Series, in each of which he was the WS MVP.
Well you just confirmed the beginning of my comment, Gibson was great. My point was that even at his best he could be beaten and his Nebraska team would be heavy underdog to the team from California in a matchup against another all-time great pitcher. To think he would just never give up a run against that lineup is hard for me to believe. On the other hand, I could see Seaver throwing up a long string of zeroes against a lineup with Bob Cerv hitting cleanup. Who was better Gibson or Seaver, I sure don’t know but they were both damn close to the best in their era.
Greenburg, Gehrig, Yaz, Edgar Martinez, Frankie Frisch, Eddie Collins and a pitching staff including Ford, Spahn and Koufax... (There are others, but not quite the star power... maybe Joe Torre at catcher, for example).
PA: Griffey Jr, Piazza, Nellie Fox, Reggie Jackson, Musial, Honus Wagner, Hack Wilson and another catcher in Campanella - pitcher is loaded- Matthewson, Rube Waddell, Eddie Plank, Ed Walsh
MD is not at the top maybe, but includes Ruth, Ripken, Foxx, Kaline, Judy Johnson and Lefty Grove at pitcher.
PA is loaded with players especially from early 20th century.
Gibson pitches a 16K shutout and hits the game-winning Homer in a first round upset for the ages!
If you go by where they played high school baseball California would add guys like Joe Morgan, Frank Robinson, Eddie Mathews, Rickey Henderson, George Brett, Ozzie Smith and go two deep with all-time greats every position. Even Walter Johnson went to high school in California, playing for Fullerton HS at the beginning of the 20th century. He once struck out 27 batters in a 15 inning game against Santa Ana High School.
No Rickey Henderson?
Ricky be Ricky born in Chicago
To me it doesn’t matter who’s in the opposing line up, in a big game, Gibson wins. I sure hope MN is one of the 16!!
Missed game 7 in 1968 did y’all?
I really hate to pick against Bob Gibson in any big game, but that Cali lineup is hard to beat
The final score will be 1-0....
If anyone finds me passed out and blue in the face over the next eight days, just tell the first responders I’m merely holding my breath awaiting the NH entry.
They’re playing Vermont in the 8/9 game.
They 2 greatest hitters ever back to back. I don't believe Gibson could shut that down.
Have you forgotten about the Sultan of Swat???
yeah Maryland has the greatest hitter. They actually have a pretty good team. Best 20th century RH hitting 1Bman, best left handed starter ever. Iron Man 2.0.
Trying to figure out who’s better between Seaver and Gibson by using facts and statistics is just more “advanced metrics” crap.
I remember reading that Seaver really liked to win, while Gibson loved to win. Edge: Gibson.
I remember reading that Mickey Mantle came to the park in tip top shape for every game…..
Gwynn/DiMaggio/Bonds/Willams? Hard-to-imagine an better first-four …
I look forward to hearing what Joe considers "New York." While those born in the city believe it is bounced by the East and Hudson Rivers and grudgingly include the territories of Brooklyn, Queens and The Bronx (screw Staten Island); those of us born in the City but who grow up in the 'burbs and now live there would say that New York is everything south of the Bear Mountain Bridge (where, fun fact, the guys in On the Road turned west) in New York west of the Hudson, south of Connecticut east of the Hudson, and east/north of Route 287 in NJ. The G'Island might grudgingly be considered part of New York, especially in the summer.
The rest of New York is Upstate. Or, for the most part, the Upside Down.
I imagine that none of this makes sense to him not being a New Yorker (I'm a New Yorker myself and it doesn't make a ton of sense to me) so I'm going to bet in his "All-State" tournament he will go with the State of New York, just a guess
Joe, tell us the 16 teams….. gotta start doing my research!
Gibson was great but he lost twelve games if memory serves in 1968 with a lineup way better than the Nebraska 3 all stars plus a few decent major leaguers. Tim McCarver, Orlando Cepeda, Julian Javier, Mike Shannon, Lou Brock, Curt Flood, was Roger Maris still in RF? Not sure if Seaver ever lost more than 12 in a season…. if only there was a way to look this stuff up.
Just took a look at Seaver’s career stats, and he lost 12 or more games (up to 14) in a season in 8 out of the 20 seasons he pitched. That said, wins and losses each season over an entire career can be an unfair and misleading stat, because it brings into play scoring support (think of the Mets prior to 1969) and impact of pitching injured, which Seaver did later in his career.
In 1968, Bob Gibson lost 9 games in the regular season (in which he was 22-9, with an ERA of 1.12) and 1 in the World Series (in which he was 2-1, and gave up only 5 runs over 27 innings, for an ERA of 1.67), not 12 games. Of the 9 games he lost in the regular season, 2 were 1-0 and one was 2-0. He competed 28 of his 34 starts, with 13 shutouts. He only gave up 4 runs twice in the regular season, and one was in an extra innings complete game he pitched.
In 3 World Series over 5 seasons from 1964-1968, he won 7 games in a row, and was 7-2 in the 9 games he pitched, including winning Game 7 in each of the 1964 and 1967 World Series, in each of which he was the WS MVP.
Well you just confirmed the beginning of my comment, Gibson was great. My point was that even at his best he could be beaten and his Nebraska team would be heavy underdog to the team from California in a matchup against another all-time great pitcher. To think he would just never give up a run against that lineup is hard for me to believe. On the other hand, I could see Seaver throwing up a long string of zeroes against a lineup with Bob Cerv hitting cleanup. Who was better Gibson or Seaver, I sure don’t know but they were both damn close to the best in their era.
Bottom of Nebraska’s order is weak
Graig Nettles over George Brett for California at third?
Brett is on the West Virginia club.
Joe explains this. Brett wasn't born in California.
Never mind I just saw it
Where did he explain this?
NY
Greenburg, Gehrig, Yaz, Edgar Martinez, Frankie Frisch, Eddie Collins and a pitching staff including Ford, Spahn and Koufax... (There are others, but not quite the star power... maybe Joe Torre at catcher, for example).
PA: Griffey Jr, Piazza, Nellie Fox, Reggie Jackson, Musial, Honus Wagner, Hack Wilson and another catcher in Campanella - pitcher is loaded- Matthewson, Rube Waddell, Eddie Plank, Ed Walsh
MD is not at the top maybe, but includes Ruth, Ripken, Foxx, Kaline, Judy Johnson and Lefty Grove at pitcher.
PA is loaded with players especially from early 20th century.
The CA team is loaded. Deserve a very high seed. Would this be young Bonds (who was very good)?