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nightfly's avatar

“Can’t make errors if you can’t get to the ball.” *grins at camera, taps head*

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As Brent H. Mentions, you can't take these numbers - either the errors on their own, or the range factors, or whatever - on their own. The team and league context matters. Guys like Bancroft and Maranville and Bartell and yes, Ozzie, are naturally going to make more plays per nine because they played in a league context with much lower strikeout rates. And they're going to have more plays above (or below) average depending on how much playing time they got.

Jeter played more games at SS than anybody but Omar, so his counting stats will be higher. But even adjusting for playing time, Jeter still looks bad. His -0.45 PAA/G is more than double anybody else on Joe's list (Reyes, at -0.21).

Jeter also almost exclusively played behind pitching staffs that struck out a lot of batters. The Yankees, in his 20 seasons, averaged 4th in the AL in K's, and only once finished in the bottom half of the league. By my estimates, their penchant for strikeouts meant they allowed about 80 fewer plays than average to be made in the field each year, over 1600 for his career. Not all of those would have been grounders to short, of course, so that doesn't account for all of Jeter's apparent short(stop)comings, but it explains some of it.

Even with that, though, A-Rod was a contemporary of his, and his RF/9 as a SS was exactly league average, this despite also playing behind strikeout-prone pitching staffs (average AL rank: 4.6) for much of the first half of his career.

I think the article in the first edition of the Fielding Bible explained it pretty well: Jeter tended to play shallow, so he was actually pretty good with those slow rollers, above average at turning those into outs. But because of that he conceded...basically everything else. He had a strong enough arm to make that fun throw from deep in the hole 3 or 4 times a year, but he missed what should have been an easy grounder up the middle like once every other game.

The really amazing thing to me is not that he did that, but that for some reason the Yankees allowed him to keep doing it! I guess winning fixes a lot.

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