Wish the Niners didn't have the shortest commentary of the article haha. They're a really fun team, and arguably the best locker room in the NFL, and we'd love to have Joe as a fan if he gets on board!
We need to get away from 32 to - negative 32. Confuses things and doesn’t differentiate enough. You need metrics - how fun or bad to watch, how much you like or dislike owners, fans, city, coach, etc. maybe have a miscellaneous category also. Rank each category from 5 or 10 to negative 5 or 10 and add up the scores for the results.
So the Dolphins- fun to watch +8, coach is super fun and looks like he can coach +10, I like the players +10, grew up in SoFla so I like the fans +10, owner cheats and sucks so negative 8, city +9. Miscellaneous- haven’t won in a long time, I root for them, so does my dad and lots of my friends, cool unis so +10. Total score = +49. That would be my highest. Patriots fun to watch nothing special =0, players I’m neutral so 0, owner bought his way out of his sex crime =negative 10, coach is a cheater = negative 10, Boston’s a great city +8, fans are arrogant = negative 6, miscellaneous-they’ve won enough, in Dolphins division, but I have family in New England so negative 8. So total = negative 26. Would probably be my lowest
I do like the fact Joe's moving teams up and down. That definitely matches my experience. And sometimes you don't know who you'd root for until it happens. However, as others have said there's too many teams in the middle that should basically be zero.
Also, Mike is just trolling us by moving Jacksonville down even lower. Didn't he say when Bortles almost led them to the Super Bowl he was actually kinda hoping they would beat his favorite team, the Patriots?
This didn't stand out to me as much last week (even though you addressed it directly), but the Panthers - the team you actively considered making "your team" - is only a plus-6? And the Bears are a plus-13 this week? Oof. Carolina never had a chance.
I don't know why it took so long for me to make this connection but now I can't unsee it. A combination of the new season of A Handmaid's Tale and Joe's reference to them as the Washington Football Team Commanders made me realize they named the team after the bad guys in Margaret Atwood's dystopian classic. Snyder didn't just pick a bad name for the team, he picked a BAD name for the team to snub his nose at the world.
Vikings fan here. Your friends are absolutely right; you should NOT become a Vikings fan -- it's misery. That said, there is no reason people who are not fans shouldn't like the Vikings! Justin Jefferson is fun and awesome, and this fan base deserves some small measure of happiness after a lifetime of crap.
Put it this way: I am 46. Growing up, I heard stories about how awful the four Super Bowl losses were....and that still better than anything I've seen! All I have are awful NFC championship game losses on my resume (not counting the last SB they were in; I was six months old).
Not great when you're looking up at 0-4 Super Bowl misery as something to aspire to.
Also, in terms of these rankings, the Vikings are NEVER boring. They should be +14 for you, easy.
Spot on! 52 yr old Vikings fan, so I distinctly remember the Super Bowl XI Loss to the Raiders. BTW the 1998 NFC Championship loss to the Falcons is by far the worst thing that ever happened to the fan base. The Vikings are almost never boring...
That '98 game is the first time I really first experienced the sheer misery of being a Vikings fan. I'd just been getting more into football (as a young kid I was all baseball; saw the Twins win two world series and figured MN teams always won the entire thing when they got to the playoffs, lol), and Moss got me all in, even though I was not living in MN at the time and only saw a couple games that season (one was the T-giving game; so that sold me on Moss as the GOAT). But that NFC game...I got the sinking feeling that I now experience in the first quarter that this wasn't going to turn out our way. Hasn't gone away yet!
Just glad we're all miserable together in this thing. :)
Everybody likes the Chiefs, including myself. Is this really true? If so, has it ever happened before? And finally, how long until everybody is sick of the Chiefs winning and starts rooting against them?
Mahomes seems like a good dude and is just fun to watch. Andy Reid is like your grandpa or favorite uncle coaching, so unless that dynamic changes its hard really hate on the Chiefs.
I do not know about Andy or Mahomes for some people. I know we cannot blame family members for other family members but Andy's son is a different story (I know that there are also a bunch of people who really dislike Mahomes's brother and fiancee but I think they are just having fun). Also, Nelson Bunker Hunt was no prize as a brother also. Lamar seemed to successfully hide his political views and was a true innovator.
Oh, I was sick of the Chiefs winning as soon as they won the Super Bowl. Actually, maybe even before that. I root against all bandwagon teams on principle and the Chiefs have the most bandwagon fans of any team since the mid-00s Patriots (I also rooted against them, of course).
As a lifelong Pats fan, I have also been a lifelong Raider-hater. The first game I really remember watching and/or anticipating was the 1976 AFC Divisional game ... the Ben Drieth “roughing the passer” game. That was, as those things go, followed quickly by Daryl Stingley in the 1978 preseason. ‘Nuf said. The Plunkett years caused some minor confusion as I attempted to pretzel logic hating the Raiders, liking Plunkett, rooting against Oakland and therefore for Philly, and being disappointed Philly lost and hating that Oakland won and being happy for Plunkett. It was ... difficult. Once Plunkett retired, it was pretty easy to fall back into my comfort zone.
Now, though, it’s hard to root against Josh McDaniels ... and, if my brain thinks “Vegas” I have almost no feelings ... and the I have do a mental double-take to remind myself, “oh, right, Raiders ...”
Ask Broncos fans if it's hard to root against Josh McHoodie (it's not). Having him coaching the Raiders, who we hate anyway, just consolidates the hate into one concise package.
What if there was a threshold a game had to be at in points to count towards the happiness scale? Like if a game doesn't have at least 5 happiness points it's nullified because you don't really care that much.
I don’t think you need to rank 1 to 32 as you’ve shown with that Seahawks game it doesn’t really work, maybe assigning numbers between 1 & 32 but u can duplicate numbers would give you a more accurate score in terms of how it applies to your actual happiness
Hey Joe, I could probably survive the deep NFL focus, but not the gambling ads. I’ll think about my patreon renewal, but am deleting the podcast.
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Wish the Niners didn't have the shortest commentary of the article haha. They're a really fun team, and arguably the best locker room in the NFL, and we'd love to have Joe as a fan if he gets on board!
We need to get away from 32 to - negative 32. Confuses things and doesn’t differentiate enough. You need metrics - how fun or bad to watch, how much you like or dislike owners, fans, city, coach, etc. maybe have a miscellaneous category also. Rank each category from 5 or 10 to negative 5 or 10 and add up the scores for the results.
So the Dolphins- fun to watch +8, coach is super fun and looks like he can coach +10, I like the players +10, grew up in SoFla so I like the fans +10, owner cheats and sucks so negative 8, city +9. Miscellaneous- haven’t won in a long time, I root for them, so does my dad and lots of my friends, cool unis so +10. Total score = +49. That would be my highest. Patriots fun to watch nothing special =0, players I’m neutral so 0, owner bought his way out of his sex crime =negative 10, coach is a cheater = negative 10, Boston’s a great city +8, fans are arrogant = negative 6, miscellaneous-they’ve won enough, in Dolphins division, but I have family in New England so negative 8. So total = negative 26. Would probably be my lowest
Joe let’s make this more scientific!!
Joe can spend more hours and hours on it!! Excellent!!
I do like the fact Joe's moving teams up and down. That definitely matches my experience. And sometimes you don't know who you'd root for until it happens. However, as others have said there's too many teams in the middle that should basically be zero.
Also, Mike is just trolling us by moving Jacksonville down even lower. Didn't he say when Bortles almost led them to the Super Bowl he was actually kinda hoping they would beat his favorite team, the Patriots?
Jags should move up a lot this week. Bandwagon is filling up …
I love the idea for a "who cares" game except it could easily turn into more than one game!
“Like Mom trying to put the moves on you” - Ladies and Gentlemen, YOUR Cincinnati Bengals!
This didn't stand out to me as much last week (even though you addressed it directly), but the Panthers - the team you actively considered making "your team" - is only a plus-6? And the Bears are a plus-13 this week? Oof. Carolina never had a chance.
I don't know why it took so long for me to make this connection but now I can't unsee it. A combination of the new season of A Handmaid's Tale and Joe's reference to them as the Washington Football Team Commanders made me realize they named the team after the bad guys in Margaret Atwood's dystopian classic. Snyder didn't just pick a bad name for the team, he picked a BAD name for the team to snub his nose at the world.
Vikings fan here. Your friends are absolutely right; you should NOT become a Vikings fan -- it's misery. That said, there is no reason people who are not fans shouldn't like the Vikings! Justin Jefferson is fun and awesome, and this fan base deserves some small measure of happiness after a lifetime of crap.
Put it this way: I am 46. Growing up, I heard stories about how awful the four Super Bowl losses were....and that still better than anything I've seen! All I have are awful NFC championship game losses on my resume (not counting the last SB they were in; I was six months old).
Not great when you're looking up at 0-4 Super Bowl misery as something to aspire to.
Also, in terms of these rankings, the Vikings are NEVER boring. They should be +14 for you, easy.
Spot on! 52 yr old Vikings fan, so I distinctly remember the Super Bowl XI Loss to the Raiders. BTW the 1998 NFC Championship loss to the Falcons is by far the worst thing that ever happened to the fan base. The Vikings are almost never boring...
That '98 game is the first time I really first experienced the sheer misery of being a Vikings fan. I'd just been getting more into football (as a young kid I was all baseball; saw the Twins win two world series and figured MN teams always won the entire thing when they got to the playoffs, lol), and Moss got me all in, even though I was not living in MN at the time and only saw a couple games that season (one was the T-giving game; so that sold me on Moss as the GOAT). But that NFC game...I got the sinking feeling that I now experience in the first quarter that this wasn't going to turn out our way. Hasn't gone away yet!
Just glad we're all miserable together in this thing. :)
Huge surprise on the number 1 team. Same as last week. Thanks for the warning.
Everybody likes the Chiefs, including myself. Is this really true? If so, has it ever happened before? And finally, how long until everybody is sick of the Chiefs winning and starts rooting against them?
Mahomes seems like a good dude and is just fun to watch. Andy Reid is like your grandpa or favorite uncle coaching, so unless that dynamic changes its hard really hate on the Chiefs.
I do not know about Andy or Mahomes for some people. I know we cannot blame family members for other family members but Andy's son is a different story (I know that there are also a bunch of people who really dislike Mahomes's brother and fiancee but I think they are just having fun). Also, Nelson Bunker Hunt was no prize as a brother also. Lamar seemed to successfully hide his political views and was a true innovator.
Also, as a Twins fan, I like to think rooting for Mahomes is like rooting for the Twins. It's the most joy football has ever given me.
Oh, I was sick of the Chiefs winning as soon as they won the Super Bowl. Actually, maybe even before that. I root against all bandwagon teams on principle and the Chiefs have the most bandwagon fans of any team since the mid-00s Patriots (I also rooted against them, of course).
NB: All that said...I do like Andy Reid...
Ha ha!
As a lifelong Pats fan, I have also been a lifelong Raider-hater. The first game I really remember watching and/or anticipating was the 1976 AFC Divisional game ... the Ben Drieth “roughing the passer” game. That was, as those things go, followed quickly by Daryl Stingley in the 1978 preseason. ‘Nuf said. The Plunkett years caused some minor confusion as I attempted to pretzel logic hating the Raiders, liking Plunkett, rooting against Oakland and therefore for Philly, and being disappointed Philly lost and hating that Oakland won and being happy for Plunkett. It was ... difficult. Once Plunkett retired, it was pretty easy to fall back into my comfort zone.
Now, though, it’s hard to root against Josh McDaniels ... and, if my brain thinks “Vegas” I have almost no feelings ... and the I have do a mental double-take to remind myself, “oh, right, Raiders ...”
Rational fandom is such a challenge.
Ask Broncos fans if it's hard to root against Josh McHoodie (it's not). Having him coaching the Raiders, who we hate anyway, just consolidates the hate into one concise package.
Oh, no doubt about it. Context matters. We all may be irrational, but, we're not crazy, either!
"Rational fandom..." is a classic oxymoron.
What if there was a threshold a game had to be at in points to count towards the happiness scale? Like if a game doesn't have at least 5 happiness points it's nullified because you don't really care that much.
I don’t think you need to rank 1 to 32 as you’ve shown with that Seahawks game it doesn’t really work, maybe assigning numbers between 1 & 32 but u can duplicate numbers would give you a more accurate score in terms of how it applies to your actual happiness