I actually do think this was a very good trade for the Browns. From a more distant perspective.
I also totally understand your reaction as a fan (even one whose fandom was a shadow of it's former self) to the trade. With he who must not be named still on the team, the GM who made the trade still in charge, and the firing of a head coach who was out of work for like 5 minutes after they fired him and hiring a questionable (In my opinion) replacement, Garrett was that one immediate positive, that one reason to watch, and now he is gone.
I’m a contrarian on this trade. The Browns have had two decent drafts in a row, which is amazing considering their history. In this trade they picked up an all pro defender who is younger, plus some draft capital. I like it. It reminds me of when KC traded off Tyreek Hill.
I'm a Mavs fan, and watching that team win the 2011 finals with Dirk and Co. was one of the greatest fan experiences I've ever had. It even included the owner (!), Mark Cuban, who seemed to share all of the depth of fandom that I did. The team seemed to reflect everything I wanted my home team to be: I want them to win; but I also want them to win with love of the game, and I love seeing them beat other teams (like the Miami Heat) who build super teams or seem to shortcut the fan experience of building players and relationships, and I want them to have great team chemistry (Deshawn Stevenson was a delight, same with the Matrix and Jason Kidd and Tyson Chandler). Needless to say, the Luka trade patently involved none of these things.
I also went to Texas A&M, and Myles Garrett is simply awesome.
It's possible... as a Brown's fan... you've reached the Nadir of Zeal, Joe. Your Browns expectations, hopes or just fandom... have bottomed out. Myles was, perhaps, the most interesting Cleveland player. The whole sequence of events of the modern Cleveland Browns... "But where are the clowns? There ought to be clowns, well, maybe next year!"...
I didn't give up on the Red Sox when they traded Mookie, though I was furious. I did give up on them when they decided they'd rather have Trevor Story than Xander. Along with letting Don Orsillo and Jon Lester leave, I've just had it with that franchise. They rotate through a bunch of guys on one and two year contracts imagining it'll all work out some how. I can't stand them.
I’m your age Joe, lifelong Falcons fan. After they blew the Super Bowl in 2016, something changed for me. I still watch them, hope they win, but I don’t think it’ll ever be the same. I sometimes wish I could get those feelings back, but in the flip side, I got my Sunday afternoons back
As a now former Sacramento Kings fan - I think there's only so many punches and heartbreak you can take before it's actually okay to say "Ya know what, I think I'm out." I also say that as a lifelong suffering Baltimore Orioles fan who will never not love them with my entire being, so who's to say. I think Bill Simmons wrote a big article in the Grantland days about when it's okay to pick a new team, or merely just cease emotionally investing in one, and man if that doesn't apply to Browns and Kings fans ha.
The actual quote is "[bleep] this [bleep]ing GAME" - GAME, not sport. Which is how I've felt about the NFL for about a decade now. Save yourself the anguish, leave the NFL in the dust.
I feel like I should note that "*BLEEP* this *BLEEP*ing [game]," was what Crash Davis said upon being sent down to Durham. Immediately followed by him asking when to report for the next game.
I can’t stand when people don’t get the words right
One of my top two or three all-time favorite movies. Especially considering I was a smart high school catcher who didn’t hit enough to get to the next level. His speech in the bar is the most accurate description I ever heard of the fine line between moving up or being done with your baseball career.
In many ways I am glad I ended my Browns fandom when Art moved them to Baltimore. In fact, I pretty much lost complete interest in NFL football at that point and its never come back. Sure, I might watch the last half of the Super Bowl if its close at halftime when we as a family turn it on to see the halftime show, but the football part is a very got nothing better to do part of it. The Guardians on the other hand, they are ALWAYS entertaining and as heartbreaking as ever because they always seem to do right by their players and seem to appreciate their fans even though they will rarely if ever spend money on free agents. I actually like that more about them every year. I found myself really pulling hard for them NOT to sign anyone and to give these highly touted and long awaited draft picks a real chance to play and become major league players in front of our eyes. So far so good!
I feel the same way about the Sacramento A’s.
I actually do think this was a very good trade for the Browns. From a more distant perspective.
I also totally understand your reaction as a fan (even one whose fandom was a shadow of it's former self) to the trade. With he who must not be named still on the team, the GM who made the trade still in charge, and the firing of a head coach who was out of work for like 5 minutes after they fired him and hiring a questionable (In my opinion) replacement, Garrett was that one immediate positive, that one reason to watch, and now he is gone.
I’m a contrarian on this trade. The Browns have had two decent drafts in a row, which is amazing considering their history. In this trade they picked up an all pro defender who is younger, plus some draft capital. I like it. It reminds me of when KC traded off Tyreek Hill.
I'm a Mavs fan, and watching that team win the 2011 finals with Dirk and Co. was one of the greatest fan experiences I've ever had. It even included the owner (!), Mark Cuban, who seemed to share all of the depth of fandom that I did. The team seemed to reflect everything I wanted my home team to be: I want them to win; but I also want them to win with love of the game, and I love seeing them beat other teams (like the Miami Heat) who build super teams or seem to shortcut the fan experience of building players and relationships, and I want them to have great team chemistry (Deshawn Stevenson was a delight, same with the Matrix and Jason Kidd and Tyson Chandler). Needless to say, the Luka trade patently involved none of these things.
I also went to Texas A&M, and Myles Garrett is simply awesome.
Mark Cuban along with Paul Allen was the only NBA owner to vote against moving the Sonics to Oklahoma City. He understands fandom.
If it all weren't so true, I'd be laughing my head off. Ok, I'm still laughing...
It's possible... as a Brown's fan... you've reached the Nadir of Zeal, Joe. Your Browns expectations, hopes or just fandom... have bottomed out. Myles was, perhaps, the most interesting Cleveland player. The whole sequence of events of the modern Cleveland Browns... "But where are the clowns? There ought to be clowns, well, maybe next year!"...
I didn't give up on the Red Sox when they traded Mookie, though I was furious. I did give up on them when they decided they'd rather have Trevor Story than Xander. Along with letting Don Orsillo and Jon Lester leave, I've just had it with that franchise. They rotate through a bunch of guys on one and two year contracts imagining it'll all work out some how. I can't stand them.
I’m your age Joe, lifelong Falcons fan. After they blew the Super Bowl in 2016, something changed for me. I still watch them, hope they win, but I don’t think it’ll ever be the same. I sometimes wish I could get those feelings back, but in the flip side, I got my Sunday afternoons back
That felt cathartic - I hope it was, at least a little.
Right on Joe!
Hey Joe,
We play Winston-Salem tomorrow......batting practice at 11:30.
(I should have read the comments first. I was ninja'd a couple of times....)
As a now former Sacramento Kings fan - I think there's only so many punches and heartbreak you can take before it's actually okay to say "Ya know what, I think I'm out." I also say that as a lifelong suffering Baltimore Orioles fan who will never not love them with my entire being, so who's to say. I think Bill Simmons wrote a big article in the Grantland days about when it's okay to pick a new team, or merely just cease emotionally investing in one, and man if that doesn't apply to Browns and Kings fans ha.
Joe, I feel your pain because Jimmy Haslem is now co-owner of the Bucks.
The actual quote is "[bleep] this [bleep]ing GAME" - GAME, not sport. Which is how I've felt about the NFL for about a decade now. Save yourself the anguish, leave the NFL in the dust.
I feel like I should note that "*BLEEP* this *BLEEP*ing [game]," was what Crash Davis said upon being sent down to Durham. Immediately followed by him asking when to report for the next game.
I assume Joe knows that; that's why he said his reaction was "close to" what Crash said.
[CTRL]+[F] "Crash"
*facepalms* Totally scanned past that.
I think I'm now officially qualified to coach for the Browns.
When or against whom?
That's right, he asks who they're playing (Winston-Salem, IIRC).
And she's not stressed, she's wearing a dress.
Batting practice 1130
I can’t stand when people don’t get the words right
One of my top two or three all-time favorite movies. Especially considering I was a smart high school catcher who didn’t hit enough to get to the next level. His speech in the bar is the most accurate description I ever heard of the fine line between moving up or being done with your baseball career.
In many ways I am glad I ended my Browns fandom when Art moved them to Baltimore. In fact, I pretty much lost complete interest in NFL football at that point and its never come back. Sure, I might watch the last half of the Super Bowl if its close at halftime when we as a family turn it on to see the halftime show, but the football part is a very got nothing better to do part of it. The Guardians on the other hand, they are ALWAYS entertaining and as heartbreaking as ever because they always seem to do right by their players and seem to appreciate their fans even though they will rarely if ever spend money on free agents. I actually like that more about them every year. I found myself really pulling hard for them NOT to sign anyone and to give these highly touted and long awaited draft picks a real chance to play and become major league players in front of our eyes. So far so good!